he could see around corners. he could see where things were going. i think larry eagleburger was that way, too. he saw the break up of soviet union on the horizon. we would win the cold war but it has to be in a way not to invade eastern europe. so he really new people. he knew where they were going and he had a sense of what nations would do when they were pushed into a crisis. >> gregg: he was such a down to earth guy. here a guy i would like to have a beer with. we would have great conversations i would imagined. tell me how you will remember him. >> i met with him about five or six months ago. i interviewed him for the show that i do on the fox website, fox news live.