so it was a lose/lose for me and fox news and cynthia tucker's mind, no matter what happened. and that's what she wanted. >> very perceptive observation, bill. that's scwacketly right. that's why they were talking about it as a battle between two people and who won as if it were a boxing match or something. as a matter of fact, he used the boxing analogy that o'reilly didn't lay a glove on the president. because she -- they were so desperate, some of these people, to say obama won. withby the way, i think obama ce off very well. >> bill: yeah. >> i think he is immensely likeable guy even if you disagree with his policies. i think you came off well. they needed to have a winner, some of these people. and you needed to play the role of the guy who lost. >> bill: the fix was in. the winner was going to be the president, no matter what happened. and you know the guardian goes.