when he went to occidental. he then gets to columbia. he then gets to harvard. i heard columbia nice to harvard. how do you get into harvard if you are not a good student? >> bill: i got into harvard. i can probably answer that question. [ laughter ] all right. now, what honor was president obama awarded upon graduation from harvard law school? what honor? a >> bill: what did he get? >> no cum laude. >> bill: the answer is magna cum laude. >> i was magna cum laude. >> bill: mcdowell pulls ahead. sarah palin was asked about katie couric announced she is stepping down from the cbs news anchor desk. >> you and katie went head to head. i ask you what do you think about a retirement from cbs at least? >> right, right, right. yeah. i think i read that in a