that that is taken by you as being something real in time and space and if the bible uses an illustration it will tell you about it. >> christian faith as far as i'm concerned and maybe i could say my own christian faith, does not depend on the literal body coming out of the tomb... >> and he encourages his "people.".. >> lauren: once a monk and now an author, gendarme nick cross en does -- he does not take the bible as historical fact. >> when you looked in the tomb, what do you see. >> dust. >> if the body is not resurrected, what happened. >> i'd like to be careful, i'm saying there is no christianity without the resurrection, it is whether the resurrection demands the literal body coming out of the tomb, jesus is seen only by