switch tower. -- power, so we're going to be back to where we were in april-may 2003 in iraq and that's what concerns me. this has been always the end game, and i'm delighted to hear by the way that the president is concerned about it as well. but you're going to have a counterinsurgency there, and who is going to counter that? clearly the rebels have shown that they're not strong enough to do that. martha: you raise great points about who these rebelses are composed of, the al-qaeda influence and the drawn out war on the ground, a lot of things though contend with. thank you very much. great talking with you as a. billion bill just when we thought this was stabilizing, you've got all these headlines this morning that will determine at leaft in the near term the outcome in libya. martha: you can see it go back and forth for some time. bill: the desert winds are blowing back and forth and are blowing again today. meanwhile in wisconsin, the union debate is back on center stage, the hearing starts in about 15 minutes,