forces to turn around and flee. i mean, i really do believe that he was going to go into benghazi and massacre people. he had already started shelling civilian areas. very much a tribal war. he would have gone after the tribes that revolted. i think the administration had no choice. and neither did the arab league. the arab league wasn't happy about this going in and helping remove a leader because that's effectively what we are doing. but they saw that what the consequences would be. the problem is that qaddafi is giving no signs of giving up. he has a fall-back position. is he going to go back into the desert. is he going to continue on this floor. he said at the beginning of the war advisors around him, i will turn this country into somalia if i have to before i give up power. that leaves the administration the question how do we know when we have won if he has retreated into the desert? >> shepard: john bussey, very quickly. now you have got to sell the