staffers on this. there is evolution in the obama administration's thinking on this, thinking they want to be in front of the democracy wave. martha: you have to wonder what the conversations lead to. and then, here we are, being proponents of the same philosophy that we were so critical of the bush administration of during the war in iraq and the things that we said didn't make sense, many of them are arguments for doing this. >> yeah, the administration will probably point to the multilateral -- martha: we had a u.n. acceptance and lots of multilateralism in iraq. >> well, no. martha: you went to the u. n. >> well, that's not multilateral. martha: turkey balked at it.