chernobyl was a bad accident. it had, we estimate, 36,000 people killed by the radioactivity. if they didn't evacuate here, and if the worst possible thing happens, then the number would be 400 people, not -- i'm not talking about the workers, the people who are there risking their lives to prevent this from happening. i'm saying if everything goes wrong, then the estimate is that 400 people would eventually contract cancer, assuming there was no evacuation. best guess right now sunday the worst circumstances zero deaths from this. >> juan: okay. the fact is right now as we are talking zero deaths. but, howard, you are saying, you know what? the risk is too great. it might be minimal risk. the radiation might not be great as we are just hearing from howard, but you say still too much of a risk. >> i think absolutely the risk is there. i mean, we are obviously seeing this from environmental standpoint. 400 people may be nothing compared to chernobyl. the risk is still there. we don't know what's going to