in 2007 -- one month the short month in 2007, for the whole year it was 161 billion dollars. >> it is frightening. at least now we're talking about it. politicians rarely even talked about it. that's a first step. >> sean: are they talking about it because we are forcing them? 14 trillion on track to double in less than 10 years to 28 trillion. >> nobody is forcing the tea party movement to go to these rallies and say this is too much. i think people are waking up. >> sean: you mean those racist white people, gun-toting, bitterly clinging to their guns and religion? >> those are the people. >> sean: what did you think of that npr tape? >> where schiller was -- >> sean: yeah. >> i'm amazed he turned down five million dollars from a group that basically -- >> sean: a group said they were supportive of the muslim brotherhood.