mentioning, i think the department of education has to be radically reformed. i don't believe having the federal government injected in it the way it is in local school systems is healthy. and mike, it's everything from the defunding planned parenthood which i missed where in the constitution we're supposed to fund them. to those larger things. to me, it's a short term, medium term and long term. small things now have to lead into the bigger issues of medicaid, medicare and social security as well as the interest on our debt. that's the real long term thing we have to tackle. >> mike: james, we're going to give you a chainsaw and turn you loose on the federal budget. what gets chopped? >> people need to understand how bad it is. as chip mentioned it's worse than people think. every agency in the federal government, all our military spending, every year it's borrowed money.