i'm sure there are private conversations that we don't know about. those are the -- megyn: i don't think so. the reason i know is because i watch "special report with bret baier," which you should do -- >> i do. megyn: not you but the other people. this is how they got to this mess. apparently the democrats are using as a baseline for the cuts the president's never-enacted 2011 proposed budget. president obama said, i would like the budget to be this. that never got enacted. now they're coming down $40 billion and they're calling it as cuts. they're not spending cuts. >> it's called negotiations. megyn: but are they spending cuts? >> the republicans say, no, we don't want that budget. it's a negotiation based on the