collective bargaining issue. do you think he's going to change his tune to save those jobs or is he willing to go the next step which would be to start issuing those layoffs? >> i think scott walker might be ideological enough and extreme enough to do that, but there are 19 republican state senators and some of them are moderates, they all have public employees in their district, and i know some of them are starting to look at this, and -- >> martha: look at the nuts and bolts here, $900 million is expected to be cut in this budget on education. how do you think that's going to impact? and when you look at the situation in education in wisconsin, they've poured more and more money into the school system there, and they're getting lower and lower results, you know, when you look at national testing, wisconsin is the weakest in the whole midwest >> well, actually, here in madison, that is not the story. we lead the nation in national merit scholars, our graduation rates are actually increases, our test scores are going up, we're