meat cleaver. >> overspending gives you a deficit and adding that up every year gives you this national debt and when the democrats took control of the house, our debt wag $8.6 trillion and now is over $146 trillion, and spending is out of control and has to be brought back under control. and, we need to be working together, to address this, in the long term and make certain we put everything on the table, have an adult conversation -- >> i agree. >> and be fair to future generations. >> i agree, but in fairness, when bill clinton left office we had a surplus... >> heather: representative, engel i do -- i do have to wrap you both up now. >> spook speaking of getting un control. >> representatives, thank you both for joining us. >> thank you. >> gregg: audio problems,