>> people in the public -- who draw a public paycheck make less than people in the private industry? >> on average, it's about 7% less, yes. >> i've seen a whole bunch of statistics lately and that simply is not true! >> must be from the mercer institute. >> economic policy institute, you'll find that on their web site but going back to the opening of the program with kennedy's quote, what can you do for your country? you see that happening in wisconsin. and the governor is the one whose ears aren't open in that the public employees and public servants have conceded to a lot of wage reduction or on their health care pension funds and their contributions so they are listening. they know we're in a budget deficit and many states are facing that. and people are willing to have shares sacrifice but you don't have shared sacrifice when you put the burden on the backs of working american families and giving away -- >> here's the problem.