2001 running similar operations to this, we were dealing with oil smugglers out of iraq. it's always dangerous in a situation like this, ao*up in a hostage situation, these things often don't turn out well and while it's a tragedy what we need to think about is how are we going to deal with this for the long haul, how can we help somalia, make it a stable place so we can bring this under control. martha: unfortunately this is the most lucrative for the young somalis to make a living and it's been working well for them. something like 600 people being held right now. why, though? once your hostages are gone, you've lost your leverage, right? why would they have killed these people? >> well, it's true, but you know, it's interesting to listen to some of the interviews and to some of the discussions that these pirates have had. they look at this as a legitimate line of work, so for the same reason that you basically can't negotiate with terrorists because you encourage future additional terrorist act, these guys are part of a big picture of