discretionary spending so you would argue -- so you're actually arguing that we don't need to reform entitlements? >> i think entitlement reform is a social security and medicare, i mean, is a very, very back seat issue. what the president is trying to do is to make that the major issue to protect his unnecessary government spending. it's what democrats have always done, what clinton called their bluff on. what he's trying to do is say we have to reform social security and medicare. no, eventually we do when the boomers retire. right now, cut the spending that he put in the budget. and you'll be able to bring this deficit down to manageable proce proportions? >> so when the democrats are saying let's axe $100 billion out of this and that's not touching the entitlements, social security and medicare -- and medicaid, you think that's a step in the right direction? >> absolutely. and i think the next step would be to block grants medicaid, not