>> how are we going to raise 453 billion. that's got to be by taxes. >> you raise revenues. doesn't mean you raise the tax rates. gusher of revenue out of a growing economy. that often happens. >> bill: still, the gurebler is in the form of the government taking money away in capital gains taxes. increased salaries. the government has no other way to raise revenue other than to tax. it's not like the government is running a business, that the business is going to get better. they have to get it through that. >> well, it is like a business or like a family to the extent that as the whole enterprise grows in this case it's the economy it can support more debt and more spending. the problem we are facing now is that the economy is growing only very meagerly and spending has been growing very rapidly. this budget bill does not propose to do anything at all