we will see a definitive reaction from them when the announcement is made and what will be the triggerpoint in terms of a mainly celebration and major claim of victory by the thousands of people you can see on your screen, will be hosni mubarak announcing either a transfer of power or removal from post or even -- this is most of all what they want to see, people in the street want to see is a picture of hosni mubarak leaving the presidential palace, a definitive physical statement he's no longer in power. will we see that in the next few hours? we'll see, what exactly is shoin to the public, but at the moment, the crowd is staying calm and excited and very, very, very -- anticipating big news coming soon. martha: well put, dominic, in terms of summing up what you are hearing on the ground, because, the military obviously supported hosni mubarak all these years, he is the top military officer of the ruling organization in