u.s., 21 percent say no white house polices are working. stephen camarata, center for immigration studies, how you doing? >> good morning. bill: those numbers tell you what? >> they tell us what we already knew, the public does not think we're serious about enforcing our immigration laws and quite frankly the public is right. the list goes on and on of the things we're not doing, and even those deportation statistics that you cited a minute ago, the fact is, what they did was they reclassified some people, as having been deported. so they kind of imied the numbers to make it looks like it was a -- jimmied the records. bill: why does the public believe the government encourages immigration? is it because there's no fence or the national guard isn't up and down that western border? what is it? >> i think it's a lot of things. large sections, the public is clearly aware are undefended. but it's other things. the public doesn't follow it that closely but they know, for example, we allow millions of people into the country on a time-limited