>> my attorney. is he there? >> geraldo: yes, he is. david is there. who forced her to have an abortion? >> well, karen has testified that it was rick pitino that paid for her to abort his child. >> geraldo: but paying isn't forcing. >> there was a psychological pressure. he used one of the staff members to try to con fide in karen and they actually married -- >> geraldo: they actually what? >> one of the staffers actually married karen to maintain. >> geraldo: we know. >> it was the equipment manager. >> it was originally equipment manager. and he controlled that is where the sypher name comes from and after he controlled her he was rewarded by promotion to actually run the young center. >> geraldo: karen, are you guilty or innocent of the charge you are convicted of? >> i am totally innocent.