certainly, as dupnik has said himself, they were no strangers to this guy. they had run ins with him before the records show that. much of the contact between loughner and the sheriff or his family and the sheriff were his mother and father. there was the possession for drug paraphernalia and of course when he called to report somebody had stolen his identity theft. >> greta: any information that sheriff dupnik knew about this history? >> i have no information that he knew about the pima college history. >> greta: is there any -- it seems much -- the only mention was in the -- from 2007 with the congresswoman s that -- is that correct the only political activity that he's involved in? >> everything that we have been able to glean over the last five days has been he's not connected to any group. certainly he's adopted phrases