clinton did not overly political size it at the start. he was grief stricken, consoled the victims. he made proposals for gun control, waiting peers for firearms stuff that was responding to the attack that made it into the patriot act that bush passed. a lot of republicans opposed that. that became an issue they were opposing to things that would have stopped oklahoma city. >> sean: dick, thank you. a fair and balanced discussion about the causes of the shooting with a liberal who is not blaming conservative rhetoric and conservative talk. that and more, coming up. >> my heart is broken. my soul is wounded. i can't understand it.