did he raise it in a diversity committee meeting that occurred at our annual convention. there was a 40 minute vociferous discussion with much disagreement. many of the people on that committee did not agree with his position. what they decided to do was to launch a year long effort to educate, to reporters on how to treat and report on all manner of under represented populations that includes the disabled or minority groups. it did not in any way or fashion say that the term illegal immigrant or illegal alien was off the books. the society of professional journalists has not set such wording. >> bill: accept the position of mr. lawrence. it does give mr. lawrence the credibility to go out and educate people like me who don't, i guess, meet the standards of this society of professional journalists because we don't -- >> -- we don't give any particular member -- >> bill: i don't have any problem labeling people illegal aliens when they come into this country without proper