the '90s and learned the lesson from that and they will not follow anybody. >> i'm not again -- well, again, i'm not certain that is exactly right. but, here's the deal. i think we are missing the boat by looking at the tea party movement. it is more important to look at the tea party sentiment. here's the movement. the people are active in a group and here's the tea party sentiment. there is broader sentiment, people who applaud the tea party movement and have not gone to one of its meetings or attended a rally, is what is driving the american electorate and in includes republicans, democrats and a healthy slug of independents and they went for republicans by a margin 59-38 in this election, a 24 points swing from two years ago and 36 points from four years ago and, while it is important to consider the tea party movement because it has energy and effort and activity it is also important to remember that it is an expression of a broader thing, the tea party sentiment and that is really driving american politics is the tea party sentiment. bill: on that points, if you read deeper into the interview with shadegg he makes that exact