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conviction and not just because ed da and kurt are here, mom and pop are amanda knox are here. but you know that i am extremely skeptical of this conviction of amanda knox. i think there was a lot of nationalism thrown in there. let's go to something much more scientific. the dna evidence. we are joined in l.a. by retired fbi special agent steve moore and by dr. mark waterbury in seattle who has been quoted assaying i have never seen such a deep and consistent abuse of scientific methodology. doc, were the italian investigators that obviously incompetent? >> i don't know that they were necessarily incompetent but the work done on this case has been incompetent. they tried to invent brand new methods on the fly that don't meet the standards of any dna testing anyplace else in the world of the clasp and the knife evidence would not meet any dna standards that i have

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