then we can ask the authorities in england to extradite him here to the united states. if we don't do that, somebody else will come along and do exactly what wikileaks has done, and that'll hurt america even more. of. jenna: so what do you think is going on? why do you think the justice department hasn't moved forward? does it have something to do with politics? >> i don't think it has anything to do with politics, i sure hope not. i think there's probably an argument going on among the lawyers of whether this is technically a violation of the act. i mean, this guy, essentially -- first, there is a private, private manning, who we think is the source of most of this material, gave it, downloaded it, took it off classified web sites of ours, ghei it to wikileaks -- gave it to wikileaks, he's being held in a military brig, and he's going to face a court-martial. so you start with a crime was committed. it seems to me the consequence -- this is stolen material. stolen classified material that wikileaks got from people and