and got the chart up right now and of that money, a lot of it is tax deductible so you could argue that's coming out of our pocket as well. >> right. that's -- and that's the only really iffy part of my analysis is just how much of that is actually deducted and therefore subsidized by the government. and there's no way that i can know that and there's no way that npr can know that and that's where that 25%, maybe it's more like 30. maybe it's more like 20 but it's still a considerable amount. >> no kidding. it's much bigger than the 1% or 2%. here's what npr spokeswoman anna christopher told foxnews.com, said "you could argue that a small unquantity final of that support filters to npr. quantifying that amount is imperfect and impossible." do you agree with her? >> technically, yes. i can't put an exact, you know, 25.3%. but it's obviously more than 1% to 3% and i would say 20, 30, i