announce that kind of decision on vet ran day -- veterans day because it reflects a pretty serious lack, i think, of confidence. jenna: general ashcroft, we appreciate you joining us with a rare insight into what's going on here as far as our national security, sir. thank you so much. >> well, i'm glad to wish the veterans happy veterans day including my son who's a veteran and my nephew who's an air force pilot, joey ashcroft. i thank them for serving america. jenna: and we wish them well as well. thank you, sir. jon: and for more on this gitmo topic, we're joined by another man who spent time at the justice department, george terwilliger, former deputy attorney general. we know that the current attorney general, eric holder, said about a year ago that he was going to hold the trials for khalid sheikh mohammed and the others in federal civilian court right here in manhattan. there seems to have been a willt