personnel decisions with their own employees. there's no doubt their endorsement of the health care plan was extremely important. it came in november of last year, days before the house passed it only passed by a couple of votes. the fact that the nation's largest group representing seniors, was in favor of it was a very, very important thing for democrats. >> greta: the ones who make the decision to endorse probably eight or ten, the 4500 employees who will see costs raised probably didn't have any say, right? >> exactly. because of the coming tax on the so-called cadillac plans. people -- employees at aarp have a good plan management wants to keep the cost of the plan, about $10,000 for an individual, $25, $27,000 for families keep those under those caps so aarp will not have to pay those taxes. which means more co-pays,