>> what about the attention and excitement? the thirsting for that. your life, you become a national celebrity and become someone everyone knows and all of a sudden, you want to gain that back. by doing that, gaining with excitement by luring someone in and having maybe the wrong crowd to hang out with. >> well, you know, as you're pointing out, it's a series of factors, you know, i think that you have to have the mindset, though. you have to have sort of that interest in the excitement and even the anti-social stuff that comes along with luring someone to a house and even if it's a botched robbery, i mean, look, so someone wound up dead as a result. she had a taste for some of this clearly. hiccups or not. >> let me ask you this because i'm looking forward to this trial potentially. could this be the hiccup defense? >> no. they're not going to be able because it's causal. the hiccups comes way before this crime so they kind of -- they can't really lay it off and suggest that her intentions were related or based on hiccups.