market? we've got military interested in it or civilians like us? >> reporter: absolutely, both. both markets are applicable, but first and foremost, they're going to market to the pentagon. the russians already have a helicopter that looks very similar to this with the coaxial rotors, known as the ka-50, also known as the black shark. it's got the two rotors and the heavy gunships, it's kind of like the u.s. army's version of the apache attack helicopter. sikorsky's also introducing its raider, and it's going to build two of these, and it says it could seat six soldiers fully equipped, and it could also have some 50 caliber gun or missiles attached to the side. jenna: all right. cool stuff, phil. phil keating in miami today. jon: we have been talking about the fallout from npr's firing of analyst juan williams over his controversial comments on fox