virginians feel about obama's policies. 62% say his policies have hurt the economy. 13% believe they've helped. 51% believe policies have hurt them personally, their personal finances. so i ask you, lars, you know, does joe manchin want to be tarred with that brush? >> fast exactly it -- that's exactly it, and that's the problem. i understand neither bush nor obama is on the ballot, but the point is obama's policies today are hurting west virginia and the rest of the country, so how does governor manchin run away from that idea that those are policies that he supported, he said right, wrong or indifferent i would vote for obamacare? what does this mean? what you do have to take note of is the fact you're either for the bill or against the bill. either it has enough bad things in it that you can't vote for it, or you'd be willing to vote for it. governor manchin has tried to take both positions. those policies matter because obama's policies are going