any citizen you must -- >> greta: you would do it any way even if it didn't cost you a dime? >> yeah, it is a matter of principle and federalism. beyond that it is darn expensive. here in virginia that unfunded mandate in the health care bill by the dramatic expansion of medicaid eligibility putting on virginia will cost us about 1.7 billion dollars by the year 2022 big numbers kick in january 2014. during that point in time another billion and a half plus in spending when medicaid spending is already 20% of our budget having grown 1600% over the last 25 years because -- that's why we are engaged. >> as i understand the role -- the medicaid rules will blossom, is that right? >> absolutely. >> greta: right now those people that aren't on the medicaid rolls, who is paying for their medical bills now? many of them get medical care,