they saw when they hit the surface. there were a lot of lights. you know, there weren't a lot of cameras at cue creek. we had one press camera that provided coverage for everybody else. but i think once they were taken to the hospitals and the calls started to come, i'm quite sure that they were quite surprised by what they were facing. and in this case where you have had these folks in this mine for well over two months, i can only imagine what awaits them when they hit the surface. >> shepard: the difference between this one, dave, and the one in pennsylvania. in pennsylvania their quarters were much tighter. >> they were much tighter and also, we were nearing the time when we thought we could actually get them out alive. there was a period when just like here in copiapo, there was a period when we didn't know for sure whether or not they had survived. and for the first 17 days that happened here at this mine in copiapo as well there are some