equation is going to work, but it-- from harvard, not exactly a bastion of conservativism they've found that exactly the policies that the right wants to do. cut down on governments, cut taxes and we'll help stimulate the economy and this, this administration's going exactly the wrong way and going to increase our deficit. >> richard, what do you think? >> well, a lesson from 1937 is that exactly what gathry is saying what brought us not out of a depression, but back into an even worse one so i think the lesson in the u.s., no, actually we have a hole, the private sector is not filling and spending is the answer. that said, if you want it look at some of the bills you ticked off. arms control, not a spending bill. stopping epa in its tracks from issuing greenhouse gas regulations, that's not a spending bill and that's what the companies want. look, the one thing that actually is spending is providing relief for 250,000 low income people that haley