that controls the weather. sounds outrageous, right? this is what the ensphe saying about us. who's winning the war of words? cofounder and codirector of the counter terror extremism group is joining us now. ed, when it comes down to the war of words, who's winning that war? >> i think on the cultural front, the u.s. is winning, but from a political tprorpbgts as you rightly point out, extremists are winning because of the compelling nature of the narrative. on the cultural front, the west is winning simply because of the fact that mcdonald's, starbucks, hollywood, american clothes, jeans and so on, the desire is migrate to america, remains vibrant, across muslim countries. there's no american embassy that isn't swamped with applications to enter the united states. and the entire country, ph*bg manager, drinking coffee at starbucks is