mind one of reasons people are angry at the gop establishment is spending and the the bailouts. i think that is going continue to play out in the next year. >> liz? >> i think both things are true. i think it is forever from now. i mean look at where we were in november of 2008. nobody would have think -- >> chris: we got that. >> i think it is also true that -- i want to talk about that a little bit more. no, i think it is also true that in fact ideas and substance and policy will matter this time and maybe so so than any previous republican nomination. >> chris: who steps up? >> i think mitch daniels is a clear very interesting potential frontrunner. paul ryan is interesting. i think you will have people who emerge after the 2010 elections as real challengers. fascinating governors out there. chris christy is terrific. >> chris: under 20 seconds. >> the fact is if you ask americans about president obama his numbers are going down but