it's a myth that there are so many available. i would also put forth since they are living human beings, our population, our society should stop and ask even if we should use the 11,000. the other issue for other type of research that can be done, again, we're told that these things that the embryonic stem cells, the human embryonic stem cells will bring to us. to put in a typical research mode. we can't predict where research is going. >> dr. kaplan, the final word here? >> we may find alternative to adult stem cell research if we explore embryonic. people in wheelchairs and those with diabetes deserve the right to have this aggressively explored and this lawsuit is slowing that down and that is not right. >> shannon: we'll continue to see how it plays out. >> they need to continue to have the truth. >> shannon: thank you for your time today. we know the debate is far from over.