condition only warranted a fine of this size. these guys have lost the money on trades they made later apparently. that was it. they took into account the financial condition and decided that was it. >> greta: they don't get criminally charged. they don't get a referral to the justice department which would be the criminal charge. they do 14 million plus interest and they only pay $600,000 because they lost the 14 million pause they are lousy traders to begin with, right? >> right. we've seen a lot of headline cases where they are bringing big suits against firms like goldman sachs. they charged a big hedge fund with insider trading. they brought these big cases. but the reality is, when these cases have actually come to the point where justice is to be meted out the sec has settled in ways that