say the replacement of saddam and the overthrow of the regime is worth it, others say that security, access to health, education, is the true indicator and that still hasn't happened. jenna: colonel schafer, that's an interesting perspective and bringing in larry's as well because there's been a lot of talk about the surge in iraq. as that being one of the greatest achievements by president george w. bush, actually securing the area, making the area better for our troops, as well as the country. again, larry calls that one of the greatest strategic blunders, us going into iraq, one of our greatest strategic blunders. do you agree wa that? >> i tend to agree with larry. i was an intelligent director and the intelligence was hor id, just wrong, and i think we did a lot of things based on very flawed assumptions based on that intelligence. with that said, though, we have been able to recover greatly from those initial flaws. for better or worse, we have met the military objectives outlined for the surge. the surge itself did work, it gave the iraqi government, the iraqi people, time and space to