mean, if he does, i think he needs to point that out, because right now, we're bogged down in afghanistan, where had we not diverted our attention to iraq, we would have achieved our objectives in afghanistan already, and saddam, as general zini did, the commander who ran the central command until 2000, he was growing weaker by the day and he was contained, and as has just been pointed out, if the life of the iraqi -- are the life of the iraqis any better than what it was? by in large you have 2 1/2 million that have been displaced, you have hundreds of thousands of iraqis killed, and their life may not be much better than it was before we went in. >> minal, when it comes to the greatest strategic blunder, is life in iraq better than what it was under saddam? >> it's a hard call. when you look at the day-to-day services, the answer is no. of course, most iraqis will say that there's at least security under saddam, there's a lot of questions being raised not only about is it worth it, and you get this response, some people