palins and murkowski and i think she wanted credit for miller's defeat but didn't want to insert herself as a major player in the race. >> a half dozen of them among the senate candidates and how many of them make it past the miller line. >> i agree with what john said. this is the season we have seen so many upset in the primary . i think come election day a lot of murkowski type of races. i never saw that coming. i don't think any incumbent is safe. >> let me push on that. 98 percent of the incumbents are winning by the way. the anti-incumbent wave is not that large. in arizona a case of mccain who ran as a moderate and governed as a moderate challenged on the right and he won comfortably.