the fall, we're still there hammering them like we have been. >> shepard: the general says that could wind up being a very good way to basically get inside the taliban's head or that's the goal. major garrett our senior white house correspondent live on march that's vineyard where the first family is vacationing. how damaging is this sort of assessment? >> analysts think it's very close to damaging. not completely wrecking. not a total pot shot of president obama's strategy but something that does raise concerns and may be an effort by general conway to push the debate forward possibly within the pentagon and the white house as to what to say in the future about how concrete this july july 2011 deadline is i talked to michael hand loan an expert on iraq and afghanistan with brookings institution. take a listen. >> it's a pretty strong statement. i think it's a border line call. the tough issues about what active duty military officers and leaders should say. do i share general conway's apparent view that the july 2011