bob, your reaction, then andrea's reaction, is this a start way -- smart way for the president to go? >> the person behind this is david koch, the largest private employer in the cup, big into oil, this guy has been against the climate control people, everything progressive democrats have stood for, i'm glad he's being drawn out and he ought to have guts to put his -- his name on it as opposed to a committee. >> nobody understand what is this means, for a president to comment on t. el-- really t. elevates this group, this is something a president should not be commenting on and i think it shows he doesn't understand the job of the presidency. >> i understand dave koch. he's somebody we ought to expose. martha: george soros on the other side -- >> well,sy exposed, that's the dis. we go after the soroses of the world but not david koch. he's a right wing money