a. s, particularly junge ambitious das and don't tell me they don't have ambition, they want to be prominent in the the profession. they had to know. i mean if a young reporter can figure it out from afar. >> what jumped out at me, germany was one former prosecutor down there specifically and a retired judge have both said that way back when they thought this guy was a problem. >> geraldo: and let people go to death row. >> and my problem with all of that is that as you guys have been saying you make a great point it is not isolated like this guy is some whacko, the people have to know whether a dog can sniff under water and all the other examples. that surprises me. >> geraldo: is this intentional ignorance? >> absolutely. prosecutors often prey on the vulnerability of jurors. prop somebody up and say they are an expert and it is hard as a defense attorney to combat that. put someone up like this fellow