terrible number. the trend is so bad it is hard to have a sense of at least we are on the right track. >> i'm with the tea partiers on this. i think the tea party activists have it right, stop the spending. one of the galvanizing forces of the tea party people. >> greta: there is no certainty. you can't get to the question of stop the spending. it is until we have certainty in terms of the tax code or how much is going to be available for loans you can make individual decisions to deal with your family or business. >> true. but also true that all of this huge amount of spending going on the budget will be 3. trillion next year crowding outspending that could be done by expenses to expand to hire more workers. >> greta: i think people can live whatever they do on the bush extension. people don't want to pay more. i think they can live with it. people can make decisions