impossible to have the valdez exxon happen again? >> i would say it is next to i am pop. some of the people -- the -- next to i am pop. the people they have operate -- the people they have operating these tugs are some of best guys in crowley's fleet. they are the cream of the crop. these guys have had tanker experience, barge experience, freight ship experience. a lot of these guys have got unlimited licenses they can sail anywhere in the world. we have the best people available to man and operate these tugs. >> greta: coming up, both sides of this explosive oil drilling battle here. first the vice president of shell alaska. then a congressman who has been to anwr, tan a look and opposes drilling there. >> on another topic, you know things are going to be weird when rush limbaugh and harry reid are both squaring off with speaker pelosi.