benefits out there today. it's an uphill climb. >> neil: what are your wages your offering versus unemployment in your area. >> right now, for a unskilled machine operator, somebody that's coming in to our organization that doesn't have any prior experience with doing cnc machining, they come in at $12 an hour, they go through an internship program for eight weeks and get $13 an hour. if you are looking for skilled machine operators, those that can hit the floor running with minor training, they're coming in between 16 to 17, $18 an hour. but the problem is that there's not an overabundance of individuals at that range so we're tapping into a new employment pool want to go make manufacturing a career talking point and we train them. >> neil: but you're -- the rough