created 12,000 jobs last month, that's lower than a snake's belly. >> over the last -- even worse, over the last seven months that the president mentioned, only 100,000 jobs are created. we need about 175, to 300,000 net new jobs created every month to keep up with the growth in population. so i think the recovery is very, very iffy and there's a lot of troubled waters ahead. jenna: finally, mike, where are we? >> it's too early to say we're in a downturn. it looks like the, quote, soft patch from the 2004- 2005 until prove otherwise. to me that's where we are, a frajit, fitful recovery but i think enough offsets to the negatives are out there that we can still say it's some kind of a recovery. >> an optoe mis! jenna: we'll end with that because that's what we have today. thank you very much. >> take care. jon: "happening now" jenna, we're going to get to