to act small. had you a group of four democrats offer what was less than 2% of the budget worth of cuts to an appropriations bill. they found those cuts by going after programs that were added by appropriators not included in the president's original budget request. they found that they were going to get a significant amount of push-back for not just telling the appropriators now do their job that is not necessarily surprising to anybody that four junior members of the house would not be received very well for telling the appropriators now fund the government. but what was surprising and eye-opening to so many people in the caucus, to democrats, was that they have come up with small cuts -- >> neil: these weren't only small. in the scheme of things today, [ unintelligible ] it is like change uncouch